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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 21, 2007 18:29:07 GMT -5
I used to LOVE LOVE LOVE AshxSquirrel until Squirrelflight got all annoying and dramatic. Now I think Ashfur's better off with some other she-cat, like Whitewing or...um...someone else. I hate how Ashfur did ONE THING "wrong" (loving Squirrel) and half the Warriors fan-world hates him now. Well Bramblelcaw did millions of things wrong! Like; loving Squirrelflight, killing Hawkfrost, being a stuck-up ambitious jerky freak, FORCING Squirrelflight to have him instead of Ashfur to name some. I totally agree with you Shadeheart. I hate Brambleclaw, he's a stupid too-perfect jerk [hey, that might rhyme!], and I feel sorry for Ashfur when Squirrelflight left him. I mean, his sister, Ferncloud has a mate and seven kits, and Ashfur was about to have a mate when ole Brambo got in the way and Squirrelflight left him. Exactly! Think how Ashfur feels about that! His sister, Ferncloud, has a mate and kits, Ashfur probably feels left out and deserted and hated! BRAMBLECLAW deserves to feel that way! But thats not Brambleclaw's fault, Squirrelflight could have chose Ashfur but she didn't, because she probaly thinks that hes not the right one. Ok, all Brambleclaw haters can you answer this question for me, If Squirrelflight left Ashfur for ANOTHER[/b] tom, not Brambleclaw, but ANOTHER[/i] tom, would you guys hate that tom too? [/quote] Yes it is Brambleclaw's fault! Bramblelcaw forced Squirrelflight!!! Brambleclaw is a stupid piece of fox-dung for StarClan's sake! And yes, I would hate that tom, but I'd still hate Brambleclaw!!!
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Post by Tigerfur on Jun 22, 2007 14:20:44 GMT -5
Brambleclaw did NOT[/i] force Squirrelflight to do anything! And if he did how, cuzz the last time I remembered Squirrelflight came to Brambleclaw after the badger attack . And brambleclaw didn't call her or anything, she came on her own will. Also, why would you hate Brambleclaw we he has done nothing but help save the Clans?! Yes I know that he killed Hawkfrost, but Firestar killed Tigerstar and Scourge, and I don't see you hatin on him, Besides I don't think villans live very long if you haven't noticed. Also Brambleclaw may seem a little "goody goody", but so was Firestar. So why hate him so much?
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Post by ƒrФ§тƒire on Jun 22, 2007 14:28:19 GMT -5
Because we can?
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 24, 2007 10:30:17 GMT -5
[/i] force Squirrelflight to do anything! And if he did how, cuzz the last time I remembered Squirrelflight came to Brambleclaw after the badger attack . And brambleclaw didn't call her or anything, she came on her own will. Also, why would you hate Brambleclaw we he has done nothing but help save the Clans?! Yes I know that he killed Hawkfrost, but Firestar killed Tigerstar and Scourge, and I don't see you hatin on him, Besides I don't think villans live very long if you haven't noticed. Also Brambleclaw may seem a little "goody goody", but so was Firestar. So why hate him so much?[/quote] Because Hawkfrost is one of my favourite characters! So was Tigerstar, but I don't care if he dies really... And I USED to like Brambleclaw, but now for some reason I can't stand him. Mostly because he killed my favourite warrior(besides Graystripe)!
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Post by Tigerfur on Jun 24, 2007 16:37:08 GMT -5
Well can you think of those reasons? Also Ashfur did some wrong too, he accused Leafpool of lying! Now I don't know if there any Leafpool fans on this post, but I am one of them, and when he accused Leafpool of lying that made me highly upset. Ashfur might as well have been accusing StarClan of lying because that where Leafpool got the message from.
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 24, 2007 17:42:53 GMT -5
But he did it because he was angry - like Moony said, he has a sister who had many kits, and Squirrelflight just turns on him!
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 24, 2007 18:03:35 GMT -5
But I'm sorry, Tigerfur. You're right, no one stole Squirrelflight, and I'm a Leafpool fan too. But I got mad at Leafpool when she thought Brambleclaw killed Firestar - that is, when I was a Brambleclaw fan. I sort of like Brambleclaw now, but I'm still more of an Ashfur fan, to tell the truth. And remember when Squirrelflight was Squirrelpaw, and hated Brambleclaw? Well; imagine Ashfur didn't exist, and that she still hated Brambleclaw. Well, that would be bad, because I'm a Jaypaw, Lionpaw and Hollypaw fan, and without him, they wouldn't exist. Brambleclaw did some good things, but that doesn't mean Ashfur did many bad things. Sure, he accused Leafpool of lying, but it's because he hated Brambleclaw for Squirrelflight choosing Brambleclaw instead - they spent so much time together for nothing.
Sorry if I made you angry.
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Post by Tigerfur on Jun 24, 2007 21:47:49 GMT -5
It's okay Shadeheart, you didn't make me angry, it's just that i'm a major Brambleclaw fan, and I really love the BramblexSquirrel couple. And I do agree with you guys about how Ferncloud has a mate and many kits, and hopefully Ashfur will have that to, but with some other she-cat because Squirrelflight wasn't that right one. It's just like real life, there will be some relationships that will work out, and some won't. And i'm sorry too if I made it sound like I was angry when I wasn't. I won't let arguing over characters get in the way of any of my friendships. ;D
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 25, 2007 8:24:57 GMT -5
Possibly in the next series Ashfur will have a mate. Erin said that there will be new characters, as well as the ones we have now, so one of the new one's might be Ashfur's mate. Hollypaw might even be Ashfur's mate, though that would be creepy... I think the next series is Firestar's Quest. And I know something Erin's going to do with Brambleclaw, but I won't say...
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 25, 2007 8:52:01 GMT -5
I just re-read Midnight, and Brambleclaw is awesome in the first few TNP books, and in the ones where he's a kit and apprentice. But when he got all serious and mean(when Squirrelflight was with Ashfur, I guess) I hated him. Now, in The Sight, he's not that bad, but I still didn't like it when he didn't want Ashfur to be Lionpaw's mentor.
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Post by Nightpelt on Jun 26, 2007 22:48:24 GMT -5
I like Brambleclaw, however I didn't care for him in a few of the NP books. I love Ashfur, but also I got mad at him near the end of the NP books ( but I know he was just heartbroken). It was Squirrelflight who caused a lot of the problems between the three even though I don't think she meant too.
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 27, 2007 9:41:47 GMT -5
Yeah, but Squirrelflight got most of her anger from Sandstorm, and most her trouble-making from Firestar. ^^
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Post by Nightpelt on Jun 27, 2007 11:08:42 GMT -5
I don't think she got trouble making from Firestar...curiosity yes. She is basically another Sandstorm. I picture Leafpool more like Firestar but even more reserved.
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Post by berrykit on Jun 27, 2007 18:07:18 GMT -5
Yeah, but Squirrelflight got most of her anger from Sandstorm, and most her trouble-making from Firestar. ^^ Firestar wasn't and isn't a trouble-maker. He was always doing what he thought was the best for the clan.
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 27, 2007 19:00:46 GMT -5
I know, I'm just reffering to the times where he got small punishments when he was an apprentice. ^^
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Post by berrykit on Jun 27, 2007 19:10:12 GMT -5
I still don't know if you can call that a trouble-maker. He was still doing what he thought was best for the clans.
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Post by Shadeheart on Jun 27, 2007 19:16:56 GMT -5
I know that, I'm just saying my opinion, like Firestar would do. ^^
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